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ralfgommers
Hi all,

It has been well over a year since we put together the governance structure and steering council (https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-dev/dev/governance/people.html#governance-people). We haven't reviewed the people on the steering council in that time. Based on the criteria for membership I would like to make the following suggestion (note, not discussed with everyone in private beforehand):

Adding the following people to the steering council:
- Eric Wieser
- Marten van Kerkwijk
- Stephan Hoyer
- Allan Haldane

Removing the following people from the steering council due to inactivity:
- Alex Griffing

Note that I've tried to contact Alex directly before, but he has not replied and has 0 activity on GitHub for the last year. I will try once more though.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Ralf




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Re: NumPy steering councils members

Jaime Fernández del Río
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Ralf Gommers <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,

It has been well over a year since we put together the governance structure and steering council (https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-dev/dev/governance/people.html#governance-people). We haven't reviewed the people on the steering council in that time. Based on the criteria for membership I would like to make the following suggestion (note, not discussed with everyone in private beforehand):

Adding the following people to the steering council:
- Eric Wieser
- Marten van Kerkwijk
- Stephan Hoyer
- Allan Haldane

+1. I mean, +4! :-)

Jaime
 

Removing the following people from the steering council due to inactivity:
- Alex Griffing

Note that I've tried to contact Alex directly before, but he has not replied and has 0 activity on GitHub for the last year. I will try once more though.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Ralf




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Re: NumPy steering councils members

Julian Taylor-3
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On 21.07.2017 08:52, Ralf Gommers wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It has been well over a year since we put together the governance
> structure and steering council
> (https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-dev/dev/governance/people.html#governance-people).
> We haven't reviewed the people on the steering council in that time.
> Based on the criteria for membership I would like to make the following
> suggestion (note, not discussed with everyone in private beforehand):
>
> Adding the following people to the steering council:
> - Eric Wieser
> - Marten van Kerkwijk
> - Stephan Hoyer
> - Allan Haldane
>

Eric and Marten have only been members with commit rights for 6 months,
While they have been contributing and very valuable to the project for
significantly longer, I do think this it is a bit to short time to be
considered for the steering council.
I certainly approve of them becoming members at some point, but I do
want to avoid the steering council to grow to large to quick as long as
it does not need more members to do its job.
What I do want to avoid is that the steering council becomes like our
committers list, a group that only grows and never shrinks as long as
the occasional heartbeat is heard.

That said if we think the current steering council is not able to fulfil
its purpose I do offer my seat for a replacement as I currently have not
really been contributing much.

cheers,
Julian


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Re: NumPy steering councils members

Sebastian Berg
On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:58 +0200, Julian Taylor wrote:

> On 21.07.2017 08:52, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It has been well over a year since we put together the governance
> > structure and steering council
> > (https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-dev/dev/governance/people.html#go
> > vernance-people).
> > We haven't reviewed the people on the steering council in that
> > time.
> > Based on the criteria for membership I would like to make the
> > following
> > suggestion (note, not discussed with everyone in private
> > beforehand):
> >
> > Adding the following people to the steering council:
> > - Eric Wieser
> > - Marten van Kerkwijk
> > - Stephan Hoyer
> > - Allan Haldane
> >
>
>
> Eric and Marten have only been members with commit rights for 6
> months,
> While they have been contributing and very valuable to the project
> for
> significantly longer, I do think this it is a bit to short time to be
> considered for the steering council.
> I certainly approve of them becoming members at some point, but I do
> want to avoid the steering council to grow to large to quick as long
> as
> it does not need more members to do its job.
> What I do want to avoid is that the steering council becomes like our
> committers list, a group that only grows and never shrinks as long as
> the occasional heartbeat is heard.
>
> That said if we think the current steering council is not able to
> fulfil
> its purpose I do offer my seat for a replacement as I currently have
> not
> really been contributing much.
I doubt that ;). IIRC the rules were "at least one year", so you are
probably right that we should delay the official status until then, but
I care much personally.

I think all of us are in the position where we don't mind giving up
this "official" position in favor of more active people (just to note,
IIRC in two years now, it was _somewhat_ used a single time when we
donate a bit of numpy money to the mingwpy effort).

I am not sure if we had it, but we could put in (up to changes of
course), a rough number of people we aim to have on it. Just so we
don't forget to discuss that there should be a bit flux. And I am all
for some flux, because I would think it silly if those who actually
make decisions  don't end up on it because someone is occasionally
throws in a comment. And yes, that person may well be me :).

- Sebastian



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> Julian
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Re: NumPy steering councils members

Nathaniel Smith
On Jul 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Sebastian Berg" <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:58 +0200, Julian Taylor wrote:
> On <a href="tel:21.07.2017%2008" value="+12107201708">21.07.2017 08:52, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It has been well over a year since we put together the governance
> > structure and steering council
> > (https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-dev/dev/governance/people.html#go
> > vernance-people).
> > We haven't reviewed the people on the steering council in that
> > time.
> > Based on the criteria for membership I would like to make the
> > following
> > suggestion (note, not discussed with everyone in private
> > beforehand):
> >
> > Adding the following people to the steering council:
> > - Eric Wieser
> > - Marten van Kerkwijk
> > - Stephan Hoyer
> > - Allan Haldane
> >
>
>
> Eric and Marten have only been members with commit rights for 6
> months,
> While they have been contributing and very valuable to the project
> for
> significantly longer, I do think this it is a bit to short time to be
> considered for the steering council.
> I certainly approve of them becoming members at some point, but I do
> want to avoid the steering council to grow to large to quick as long
> as
> it does not need more members to do its job.
> What I do want to avoid is that the steering council becomes like our
> committers list, a group that only grows and never shrinks as long as
> the occasional heartbeat is heard.
>
> That said if we think the current steering council is not able to
> fulfil
> its purpose I do offer my seat for a replacement as I currently have
> not
> really been contributing much.

I doubt that ;). IIRC the rules were "at least one year", so you are
probably right that we should delay the official status until then, but
I care much personally.

Fwiw, the rule to qualify is at least one year of "contributions" that are "sustained" and "substantial". Having a commit bit definitely helps with some kinds of contributions (merging PRs, triaging bugs), but there's no clock that starts ticking when someone gets a commit bit; contributions before that count too.

"""
To become eligible to join the Steering Council, an individual must be a Project Contributor who has produced contributions that are substantial in quality and quantity, and sustained over at least one year. Potential Council Members are nominated by existing Council members, and become members following consensus of the existing Council members, and confirmation that the potential Member is interested and willing to serve in that capacity. [...]

When considering potential Members, the Council will look at candidates with a comprehensive view of their contributions. This will include but is not limited to code, code review, infrastructure work, mailing list and chat participation, community help/building, education and outreach, design work, etc.
"""

Also FWIW, the jupyter steering council is currently 15 people, or 16 including Fernando:

By comparison, Numpy's currently has 8, so Ralf's proposal would bring it to 11:

Looking at the NumPy council, then with the exception of Alex who I haven't heard from in a while, it looks like a list of people who regularly speak up and have sensible things to say, so I don't personally see any problem with keeping everyone around. It's not like the council is an active working group; it's mainly for occasional oversight and boring logistics.

-n

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Re: NumPy steering councils members

Sebastian Berg
On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 12:59 -0700, Nathaniel Smith wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Sebastian Berg" <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:58 +0200, Julian Taylor wrote:
> > On 21.07.2017 08:52, Ralf Gommers wrote:
<snip>

> Also FWIW, the jupyter steering council is currently 15 people, or 16
> including Fernando:
>   https://github.com/jupyter/governance/blob/master/people.md
>
> By comparison, Numpy's currently has 8, so Ralf's proposal would
> bring it to 11:
>   https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-dev/dev/governance/people.html#gov
> ernance-people
>
> Looking at the NumPy council, then with the exception of Alex who I
> haven't heard from in a while, it looks like a list of people who
> regularly speak up and have sensible things to say, so I don't
> personally see any problem with keeping everyone around. It's not
> like the council is an active working group; it's mainly for
> occasional oversight and boring logistics.
>
For what its worth, I fully agree. Frankly, I thought the lits might be
longer ;). And yes, while I can understand that there might be a
problem at some point, I am sure we are far from it for a while.

Anyway, I think all of those four people Ralf mentioned would be a
great addition (and if anyone wants to suggest someone else please
speak up).

- Sebastian


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Sebastian Berg
Hi all,

so I guess this means: Unless anyone protests (soon, though at least a
week from now probably) publicly or privately. We will invite four new
members to the steering council and, if they accept, they will be added
soon [1]. These are:

- Eric Wieser
- Marten van Kerkwijk
- Stephan Hoyer
- Allan Haldane

all of whom have done considerable work for NumPy for a long time. I
would like to also note again that I am happy about any additional
suggestions.

Alex Griffin will be informed that depending on his wishes, he may have
to leave soon or within about a year (IIRC that was about what the
governance docs say).

Regards,

Sebastian


[1] Two of whom may be appointed with some delay due to the one year
rule. We may have to hash out details here.


On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 22:18 +0200, Sebastian Berg wrote:

> On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 12:59 -0700, Nathaniel Smith wrote:
> > On Jul 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Sebastian Berg" <[hidden email]
> > et
> > > wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:58 +0200, Julian Taylor wrote:
> > > On 21.07.2017 08:52, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Also FWIW, the jupyter steering council is currently 15 people, or
> > 16
> > including Fernando:
> >   https://github.com/jupyter/governance/blob/master/people.md
> >
> > By comparison, Numpy's currently has 8, so Ralf's proposal would
> > bring it to 11:
> >   https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-dev/dev/governance/people.html#g
> > ov
> > ernance-people
> >
> > Looking at the NumPy council, then with the exception of Alex who I
> > haven't heard from in a while, it looks like a list of people who
> > regularly speak up and have sensible things to say, so I don't
> > personally see any problem with keeping everyone around. It's not
> > like the council is an active working group; it's mainly for
> > occasional oversight and boring logistics.
> >
>
> For what its worth, I fully agree. Frankly, I thought the lits might
> be
> longer ;). And yes, while I can understand that there might be a
> problem at some point, I am sure we are far from it for a while.
>
> Anyway, I think all of those four people Ralf mentioned would be a
> great addition (and if anyone wants to suggest someone else please
> speak up).
>
> - Sebastian
>
>
> > -n
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